LOUIS: 0:00

The management is the fact that you always make sure that you have the product on time, and you don't have too much product as well.

ANNA: 0:08

Odoo is flexible, so you can really choose in the end how you work. There is no fixed rule you can change. You can try, you can test and then see, okay, this is exactly how I would like it to to work.

LOUIS: 0:19

Uh, if you do a correct inventory strategy in your warehouse, you can definitely decrease the number of product that you are going to maintain in your warehouse so that it decreases the cost as well. Hello O doers, and.

RICHARD SHALL: 0:31

Welcome back to planet Odoo. I am your host, Richard Shall, and we're thrilled to have you with us for this week's episode. Today we welcome two of our Odoo experts, Anna an MRP and Louis in Inventory Management. Together, we will delve into the topic of materials management and its significance in manufacturing and logistics. Are you ready? Let's go. Hello, Louis. Hello, Anna. Thank you for being here. Hi. Hi. So why don't you start by introducing yourselves? Who are you and what do you do here?

ANNA: 0:56

Well, I will start. So I'm Anna, I work at Odoo. Uh, since three years, almost. I'm a business analyst, and I'm in the manufacturing expertise team, actually. So I'm here to talk about materials management from a manufacturing perspective. Amazing.

RICHARD SHALL: 1:11

Yeah.

LOUIS: 1:11

So my name is Louis. Um, I'm here at Odoo for a bit more than three years now. Uh, and I'm part of the inventory expertise team. Um, so I will be here as well to discuss material management with you.

RICHARD SHALL: 1:22

Fantastic. So let's begin with, uh, what is materials management?

ANNA: 1:27

Uh, well, it's a big, big topic, actually, so it can include a lot of different concepts, I would say from inventory, procurement management, transportation logistics. And I would say in a manufacturing perspective, it could be picking of components planning and quality checking. So it's really uh, yeah, a very big topic because materials are involved everywhere.

LOUIS: 1:49

Yeah. It's true, I would add that, uh, actually the marginal management is the fact that you always make sure that you have the product on time and you don't have too much product as well.

RICHARD SHALL: 1:59

Okay. So almost every business that's not a service business would essentially need to do this.

LOUIS: 2:04

Yeah, exactly.

RICHARD SHALL: 2:05

And uh, why I guess what does it mean really to material manage.

LOUIS: 2:10

Because basically you can have a lot of advantages of managing correctly the material management in your business. Why? Uh, because you can decrease the cost. Uh, if you do a correct inventory strategy in your warehouse, you can definitely decrease the number of products that you are going to maintain in your warehouse so that it decreases the cost as well. Material management is also about having a good relationship with the suppliers, for instance, making sure that you receive the goods on time and you can fulfill the demand on time with the customer. Yeah.

ANNA: 2:40

And on top of that, like manufacturing wise. Why? Because you also need to optimize all your operations within the manufacturing plant. So if you pick components, for example, that you need to bring over from your warehouse to the area where you're actually producing a way, I mean, if you have a good materials management system, the way Odoo can help you achieve, uh, it really makes you makes your life easier and you optimize your, your job in the end. So yeah.

RICHARD SHALL: 3:08

Okay. So it's for anything that you'll store in your main warehouse for as a main product that you sell. Yeah, exactly. So even like the components, the sub components etc. etc.. Yeah. And so why is it very crucial for manufacturing business to manage this?

ANNA: 3:21

I mean because manufacturing anything with manufacturing involves materials. So from components to, as you said, sub components to the finished product itself. So that's that's one way to to see it also because as I said, well you optimize your transfers, your moves, you can reduce costs. As Louis said, it helps you also with uh, minimizing waste because if you manage correctly your materials, you also can make sure, okay, you can track your scraps so you can check how much you're actually scrapping. You can also have some kind of waste management. And yeah, so it's quite, quite crucial, I would say for any manufacturing business from a small company to a big company. And then it's all linked to the delivery to customers. So by having a good materials management from the real beginning. So from the moment you are consuming your components until the very end, that will make sure you actually have a happy customer, uh, on the other side.

RICHARD SHALL: 4:15

So it's essentially making you efficient with everything you're doing from start to finish.

LOUIS: 4:19

Yep. Exactly. Exactly.

RICHARD SHALL: 4:21

Okay. And you mentioned it's not just for big businesses. So even small businesses need to kind of pay attention to this.

LOUIS: 4:27

Yeah, it's true because um, like small businesses, if they manage correctly this material management, um, it means that in the end they can grow faster as well by managing correctly their stock, by managing correctly the relationship with the suppliers, by managing correctly the delivery that they are doing with the customers in the sense that they, uh, in the end, grow, um, at a fast pace so that they can have a bigger warehouse and then put some other strategies in place in order to continue. Fulfilling the demand.

ANNA: 5:01

Yeah. And in a way, smaller businesses maybe need even more help to manage their materials correctly, because maybe they're a newer company and they don't have processes yet defined. And so having a software like Odoo that helps, really making it easier to manage your materials could be really a great added value. Even more, I would say if there are small business and having everything integrated and a nice software.

RICHARD SHALL: 5:26

It sounds like actually a small business would benefit even more so than a big business, because those costs could be very detrimental to them. So by being efficient with their materials from like purchasing through the consumption to delivery, they're saving costs, right? Yeah. Sure. Sure. Okay, great. That's what I thought some earlier you mentioned about production planning. What does that really mean?

ANNA: 5:50

Um, there are different concepts of planning when it comes to production. There is something called long term planning and short term planning, so long term will be more to see. What are your manufacturing orders? What do you need to produce in the long term this month, in the next month, and so on? While the short term planning will refer really to the specific operations within your manufacturing process that you need to plan. So you need to know, uh, okay. From 9 to 10 on Monday, I'm doing that. So this is kind of the concept of short term planning. And it is linked to also the materials management because you I mean, I'm speaking about Odoo of course, I'm referring to Odoo. There is a feature which helps you plan your manufacturing orders based on your availability of components, so that you're really sure that you start your production not only based on first come, first served, but also on okay, I'm receiving components first for this order. I will start from that. And I don't have any, let's say, breaks in my in my production process. And I try to avoid having delays because that's a big challenge of course, for for companies for manufacturers.

LOUIS: 6:52

Yeah, I totally agree with you. And actually this can be really linked to another concept that we have in inventory with Odoo, which is related to the replenishment rules, making sure that you keep all the time a right inventory level in your warehouse so that you make sure that you can actually, uh, start your manufacturing order at the right time. So making sure that you put a minimum quantity, a maximum quantity, you always replenish your goods at the right time in order to consume them in a manufacturing order, for instance.

RICHARD SHALL: 7:21

This sounds very complex, I imagine with all these moving parts and this is going beyond then just saying, okay, I have an order next week I need to fulfill. How do you really plan forward like much more further in the future, like several months even?

ANNA: 7:34

Uh, well, there are different ways to to do it. I would say there are different tools also that Odoo offers for planning, for procurement, for for this kind of things. As Louis said, we can have reordering rules. So making sure that you have always some minimum, uh, stock in your inventory. But there can be just, uh, make to order logic. So do just as you need to to do it. And, uh, here's your order. So everything is created for you in advance so you don't forget anything. And we have a third tool, let's say that, uh, helps with forecast. It's called the master production uh, schedule. And it helps really with bigger, longer forecasts like, uh, I want to I deal with seasonal demand, and I want to always have an overview of my demand for my finished product and therefore my indirect demand for my components that I will need to consume because I need to produce that finished product.

RICHARD SHALL: 8:27

So can it tell the future?

ANNA: 8:28

Well, you can try.

RICHARD SHALL: 8:31

That's the main.

LOUIS: 8:32

Objective. Yeah.

RICHARD SHALL: 8:34

It's almost like magic, I'm sure, for people who maybe don't understand all these big words. Yeah. Then how can an SME best implement, uh, like this regarding material management?

LOUIS: 8:46

Um, I think that's, uh, the best practices for SMEs to implement this material management is to go first for the keep it simple strategy. Okay. As an SME, you have to focus on what matters the most compared to what your employees operators are doing in the warehouse in the reality. In order to implement that in a small and medium companies, it is really important actually to adopt an inventory management system, for instance, like Odoo with an ERP, in order to create all those strategies to put in place in a system, all the lead times, all the products, uh, having in mind the planning that will be actually in the system, uh, that's really important. They have to focus as well on their employee and the training, uh, of their employee. That's really important. Establish like clear processes and procedures. Why? Because it is important to, uh, to say and to train the employee on the right direction in order to avoid mistakes doing by them, etc.. Um, as well, it's quite important also to optimize the warehouse in, in a good way. Uh, do not try to overcomplicate the path that will be done by the operators in the warehouse. Try, for instance, to adopt an ABC strategy, as we call it, in a supply chain, putting the fast mover products close to the peaking zone, close to the output zone, actually, that will be shipped to the customer. Put the ones that are more in bulk in a more like a bit far away from that peaking zone. Having in mind this kind of strategies that you can put in place in such a way that you facilitate in the end, the operators job.

ANNA: 10:21

Yeah, I think in general when it comes to implementation, like less is better in the end. So it's better to simplify, to really try to focus on the core business at the beginning and not want to go too far. Sometimes customers have requests, uh, like they would like to have manufacturing in 2 in 3 steps. So it means multiple transfer, multiple validations, multiple clicks. But then in reality they don't do all those processes. So it's just a useless burden for them. And so that's also our goal, not just as experts but as consultants is really to advise them on. Do you really need that? Why do you need that. And so on. So we always challenge the customers as well.

RICHARD SHALL: 11:02

So it goes beyond just what kind of software tools you're using. It's also how you think and approach about your managing and setting up your inventory where everything is located. And then from implementation perspective, it's more, okay, let's let's get our toes a little bit wet. Let's do single step for now. Let's do some basic reorder rules and then you expand from there. Right? Yeah, yeah.

LOUIS: 11:21

Totally right.

ANNA: 11:22

Yeah. It can get very complex. Otherwise if you want to do everything at once, you will just not follow it. And so in the end you don't have any added value because it will be more lost than, uh, how you started.

RICHARD SHALL: 11:33

Which makes a lot of sense. And I'm sure many of us have probably already lost with that. It's overwhelming starting a brand new business, having to think about our inventory and then, okay, wow, I had to plan a year in advance underwater probably at that point.

LOUIS: 11:44

Yeah, that's really important to have the real time data as well. This is what we have at Odoo. Uh, so with this software, you can definitely have all the data you want in order to plan in order to see what is coming in, what's coming out, coming out. Sorry. Um, so that's really important to have the right data in order to take decisions. But before doing that, uh, make sure that your procedures, like your, the way you work, is correctly defined in such a way that it's not overcomplicating the flow.

RICHARD SHALL: 12:13

But then in a way, they can use Odoo to kind of create the structure, right? Or whatever software they chose to use. In that case, definitely Odoo. Okay, great. That makes sense. And earlier you mentioned about how this can help with their reducing their costs. So exactly how does that work.

LOUIS: 12:28

Maybe you want me to start maybe with the inventory. So what what one thing sorry that I can say is that the purchase order are really important, of course, to bring goods in in the warehouse in order to fulfill a demand or to consume them in a manufacturing order. But the most important thing in order to reduce the cost is maybe to have bulk purchasing strategy, trying to actually aggregate the the purchasing of the product from different demands in order to have a bulk strategy for the purchase in such a way that you can gain some like good prices with your purchases, not sorry with your vendors. And and basically this is one of the the key factors of having an impact on the cost that you see in the end in your supply chain. In the manufacturing perspective, I think there are a lot of other aspects as well. Yeah.

ANNA: 13:23

Uh, as I was mentioning earlier, uh, there is waste. So scrapping and also actually byproducts, which are kind of a waste as well or not necessarily. I mean, a byproducts as we call it, Odoo is more, uh, an extra product that is being generated on top of the finished product. So because you're manufacturing something, maybe you will also, uh, produce some kind of extra material which could be either good to store or just waste. Uh, and this is a cost, of course. So, uh, it's important for companies to track it and to have an idea. Okay. This waste is also costing me, uh, some, some times. And that's why maybe my products could be good, because they could maybe try to use that waste and then resell it or reuse it in another process. And so this could be a great tool to to store waste and then do something with that waste. And I think it's also linked to a concept of trying to be more sustainable. Uh, it's 2024. So we know this word is a bit of a buzzword. And many, many companies are more and more attentive to that. And I think it, uh, it could be a great to try to also ask to advise them to. Okay, you have this extra, uh, product being generated. What do you want to do with that? Do you just throw it away or what?

RICHARD SHALL: 14:36

So that means what you're saying is focusing on being efficient with the material management means you're also reducing costs and being sustainable at the same time. Essentially.

ANNA: 14:44

Yeah, that's always a goal.

RICHARD SHALL: 14:46

It's a fantastic goal. So how does technology play a role in all this?

LOUIS: 14:51

I think like with the technology, maybe for the inventory part, I would say in the material management is using barcode, for instance, this kind of technology that enables you to actually do faster your operations, try to avoid one operator going two times to the same location to pink products, etc. I think this kind of technology can definitely leverage a bit, um, this kind of flow, um, as well, in terms of technology, of course, we talk about systems, uh, ERP. So Odoo is a good software to answer the need for this part. But I think like technology in general can definitely leverage and enables you to better manage your, your materials, um, in such a way that, you know, where is the material, you know where it is. You know, when you have to to order it. You know, when you are going to ship the product to your customer. You have really an overview of what is happening currently in your business in such a way that you plan and you do everything on time.

RICHARD SHALL: 15:50

So I think that's called, uh, just in time, correct?

LOUIS: 15:52

Yeah, that's that's one of the part of the just in time strategy. Just in time strategy is a little bit different than what I'm just saying. Uh, it's just the fact that the just in time strategy is more related to demand driven. Uh, so what we call in Odoo the pull strategy, it means that you would like to decrease the amount of products you have in stock, but only ordered them, uh, when it's needed at the right time. So it doesn't mean that the product won't transit for one week or two weeks in your warehouse, but you don't want to keep those products for three months. Uh, so you mainly order them when it's needed.

RICHARD SHALL: 16:27

Kind of like MTO.

LOUIS: 16:28

Yeah, exactly. That's the strategy we have in Odoo.

ANNA: 16:31

Yeah. You can both manage MTO and MTS so make to stock. Of course some companies might work with a hybrid. Uh, for example I would say on a manufacturing perspective most uh manufacturers work on an MTS logic with the components. So they always need to have some components in-house. They cannot afford to wait, uh, until they have it. They deal with long lead times. Maybe they buy components from far away. Uh, and so it's good to have like, a make to stock, uh, approach for components. While MTO could be really good for, uh, for the finished product y producing something when you're not selling. Uh, so it's really good to wait. Okay. I'm selling it and then I will start producing it.

RICHARD SHALL: 17:12

So then that would mean to manage all of this you need a really good tool in place. And so how can Odoo help with that?

LOUIS: 17:19

I think like, uh, Odoo has really.

RICHARD SHALL: 17:22

A.

LOUIS: 17:22

Lot of modules that are integrated to each other sales, purchase, manufacturing, inventory, all these is part of the supply chain in the end. So with Odoo, you can integrate all these flows in one database, which is really convenient. And moreover you have the different perspective like the manufacturing perspective. But if you want to manage like the components, making sure that you have them on time, you can uh, as Anna said, like put in place an MTS strategy. So a make to stock strategy with some replenishment rules, you can have a good overview on a forecasted report. Okay. What are the different sales orders do I have in the future? What are my products that are currently reserved? What are the ones I would like to prioritize? Um, you can definitely manage your manufacturing order thanks to the planning based on your work centers. So you have really a big overview of what is happening in your business and Odoo thanks to this modularity, I would say thanks to different modules that are really close to each other and integrated to each other. You have really a good perspective on what's going on.

ANNA: 18:25

Yeah, I think customers can really leverage the automation as well of Odoo and the integration of everything as, uh, as Louis said of like those four main apps, we can we can say so sales, purchase, inventory, manufacturing together. They really work well. And it's actually nice to see sometimes for customers, it's really surprising, like something has generated when it's needed. And this is really, really cool. And it's also flexible. Odoo is flexible. So you can really choose in the end how you work. There is no like, uh, there is no fixed rule. You can change, you can try, you can test and then see, okay, this is exactly how I would like it to, to work. Um, and yeah, something that is kind of related also to the, to the costing and sustainability topic, uh, is also the subcontracting possibility. So again, subcontracting is just, uh, externalizing, let's say part of your production or your whole production because it can be more efficient, less costly. Uh, and again, it Odoo just gives you the, the, the tools for that. So you could have a builder material and say, okay, with this builder material, what do I do? I produce internally or I subcontract it. And then based on the two, you will either use the manufacturing app or the purchase app. And so again everything is is connected. And yeah.

RICHARD SHALL: 19:39

And.

LOUIS: 19:40

I totally agree with you Anna on this topic. And basically we can clearly see that Odoo is customizable. It means that even if you are a small company, we can do really simple stuff in order to bring you value. Uh, if you are a bigger company, we can do it as well. This is uh, quite good in Odoo because this is really customizable based on your business flows and as well to, to link with. Anna just said, uh, is a bit the same with the logistics strategies as you are going to put in place. Let's imagine that you have a product and you do not have time to replenish it in your warehouse, and then do the packing and send it to your customer. You can decide on the sales order itself to say, okay, that product I would like to drop ship it for instance. So saying to the supplier, okay, I do not want to have this product back to my warehouse. Can you please do it for me and ship the customer directly? This kind of strategy are really good because in the end, you can really fulfill the demand on time.

RICHARD SHALL: 20:37

It's very interesting you said that because I'm sure many people, when they think material management, they're mostly thinking inventory manufacturing. And you mentioned different applications such as sales and purchase, which maybe many people aren't readily thinking about. Uh, these are usually thought of as relationship applications, you know, building relationship with other like external factors or customers or their customers, but also vendors, but and even subcontractors. And so how is relationship management related to material management exactly?

ANNA: 21:04

Well, in the end, everything you're selling, everything you're buying is a physical good. If you deal with, uh, with these kind of businesses. So the power, again, of having everything interconnected is that you're creating a sales order because you're a sales person, and that's what you do. Uh, but you have the tools to see, do I have enough of this product in stock? Can I sell it or in how long? Will I be able to deliver it? And what can I promise to my customer? And so this can really help you also to have a good relationship with your customer, because you don't start over promising, uh, something you don't have or, you know, it's unrealistic. And so that's really, really convenient. Um.

LOUIS: 21:42

Yeah. Good relationship with the customer is also about lead times, making sure that you set the right lead times to make sure that you fulfill the need at the right time. Relationship is also about having a good relationship with the suppliers. As I mentioned before, trying to do bulk purchasing, trying to have a good relationship with the supplier so that you always make sure that you have the product on time, that you can consume that in manufacturing order, etc.. I wouldn't say like exactly what I said before, but it's it's it that's the idea. Um, so making sure that the relationship is good externally with this customer, with the supplier, but the relationship is also internal. I mean that it's quite important, like in the business, to have a good relationship in terms of problem solving, uh, trying to put some, uh, really good flows in practice, trying to train the employee, uh, etc. that's really important. So it's not only external relationship but also the internal relationship to build the the flows are really important.

ANNA: 22:41

And it's also very important for manufacturers. Uh, but I mean, not just for manufacturers, but anyone who needs to buy, uh, like a challenge is always disruption of stock. So if you have like multiple vendors, for example, this could be really good to see, uh, which one is the best, the most convenient on a cost perspective or on a delivery date perspective. So Odoo also helps you sometimes to create alternative request for quotation and really see which which one is better. And then you can also nurture the relationships with that.

RICHARD SHALL: 23:13

So material management is also about making friends along the way. Yeah totally. Well then okay great. That makes a lot of sense. And so we were talking about what tools to use such as Odoo. And are there any particular features or things to look out for when looking for the right software to manage your material?

ANNA: 23:30

Um, I would say maybe, uh, as we already discussed, like the integration for sure is like the for me, it's the biggest added value of Odoo because having having everything integrated, you are just sure that you can almost never run out of stuff because you have full control on everything from your sales to your manufacturing to your purchase and so on. Uh, so I think integration among all the apps is really the the key when looking for a software, for example, for material management and Odoo is easy. It's easy to use. Uh, and so I also, I think for a small company, uh, maybe dealing with advanced technologies is not always the easiest, uh, because it's, uh, expensive or because they have some processes into place or not a lot of, uh, employees. And so having a software that is easy to implement, easy to then use and maintain, uh, I think that's really, really great. And it's, uh, cheaper than many other solutions. So yeah.

LOUIS: 24:32

And in terms of technology, we have also like now, uh, in the new version of Odoo, the shop floor that you can use with tablet view, uh, like TV screen, you can use the barcode. So we have this kind of technology that we can put on top of the Odoo software in order to actually manage correctly the flows and your, uh, material management.

RICHARD SHALL: 24:52

Okay, great. So it's easy to use, highly flexible, very integrated, a good UI, I'm assuming. Yes.

ANNA: 24:59

Very good.

RICHARD SHALL: 25:00

Are we missing anything else?

LOUIS: 25:01

So we just mentioned as well that, uh, that data is quite important. So okay, it's quite affordable customizable and everything. But in the end what is good as well is to have the right data at the right time. And you can definitely do dashboards. You can clearly define what are your trends in your company. So this is really nice as well to have all these data available for you to make your own reports and seeing how you grow.

RICHARD SHALL: 25:26

And that's exactly what small businesses want to do, is to grow. So that makes sense. And they can use data to do that right. Yep.

ANNA: 25:32

Exactly. Yeah. And speaking of data there is also the PLM. So product lifecycle management in Odoo. It just helps you to centralize everything documents or engineering designing for your bill of materials or for your products. So this helps uh, really keep track of versioning, especially R&D. Uh, in the R&D department, this is sometimes very important. And I would say maybe this applies for bigger companies in this case. In my experience, they are the ones that, uh, need more, uh, traceability of every change that was applied to their Bom. So version one, version two, version three, what changed? They they want to know and they need to know for regulatory, uh, reasons. And Odoo gives them the possibility to do that. And then uh, this is again linked to then Bom management making sure your Bom is always up to date and accurate. And so yeah, there are tools that then allow you to replenish based on your Bom and so on and so forth. So. I would say data is is good in Odoo.

RICHARD SHALL: 26:30

So this goes all the way back to what we were talking about before, using all this data, these integrations to essentially become more efficient, reduce waste and ultimately be sustainable. Yeah. Amazing. So do you have any other tips and tricks recommendations for our SMEs out there who are looking to be better at material management.

LOUIS: 26:48

To be better at material management? I would say that mainly focus on your processes first before trying to integrate it in a system. Uh, the system will help you to go further, but at at first make sure that your processes are correctly defined. And if you are not sure, but you have something in place, definitely like business analysts, analysts at Odoo can definitely help you to guide you in the right direction as well. So don't think that you only use Odoo when everything is okay on your on your side. Also, take the opportunity of implementing a system to change a bit what you're doing in such a way that you ask to experts in the field to help you growing faster in the end, by analyzing your flows, putting things in place, training correctly, your employees, the way you train them. Um, this is really important. Um, in order to manage better your materials, it is important as well to keep it as simple as possible, because as soon as you want really detailed information, as soon as you want really precise things, it starts to be really complex and Odoo can definitely do it for you, but it's better to think about it in the future. Start with simple things and make sure it works before adding stuff on top.

ANNA: 28:08

Yeah, I would say. I mean, I totally agree with the with that. Yeah, sometimes it can be really annoying with all our wise, with all our why do you need that? Do you really do that? And maybe we sound even dumb. Maybe the customer is like, come on, how do you not see it? But what we're trying to do is really guiding the customer and helping them maybe review their processes, and maybe then they will end up with a different process that, that, that they started with, uh, because we did some consultancy work there. And that's also part of our, of our mission. Uh, so I would say, yeah, the biggest tip is just also if you have a consultant and an assigned consultant on your pack, just trust them. Uh, they know what they're doing and, uh, yeah, start simple. So when we say we'll we'll check it out later, we don't forget. It's really just because we want to make sure you don't get overwhelmed with, uh, doing everything at once. So we really try to stay on this, uh, follow this approach of MVP. So what's the minimum viable product you can go live with? So that's the usual, uh, methodology that I'm sure all of you know, and, uh, yeah.

RICHARD SHALL: 29:13

Amazing. So essentially be ready. Understand how your business works. Be ready to start simple, be challenged and be open minded to those challenges.

ANNA: 29:23

Yeah it all. It all goes back to that regardless of your business. In the end, whatever you do that those are the main, main, main keys. I think because.

RICHARD SHALL: 29:31

Implementing a new software, whether it's Odoo or anything else, is a good opportunity to review how you do things, right. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Exactly.

ANNA: 29:37

Both process wise, data wise. Um, that's that's really the perfect opportunity to kind of start from a clean solution and a clean software. So yeah.

LOUIS: 29:47

It's by like challenging yourself that you will be better tomorrow. Uh, that's that's a bit the sentence you have to keep in mind when implementing Odoo today. I'm working like that. But maybe tomorrow I will work in a different way. It's not. The best, but it's maybe better than before, so it's always a matter of a mix of this open minded strategy and stuff to to bring your, your business growth at a higher level.

ANNA: 30:12

Yeah. And that's in this case could be easier for a small company who just started. The processes have been defined, but they're not super set in stone yet. It's harder for bigger companies to say, okay, my process is this and maybe it will be different in the future. I think it's scary for many customers, not maybe for the for our point of contact that is working with us on implementation because they are fully onboarded with the change. I think maybe the, the scariest part for, for them is to make hundreds of people that work for them and with them change process, and that's really a big challenge. So that's what we're there for as well to help with that.

RICHARD SHALL: 30:52

Being an expert sounds like so much fun. Yeah, yeah.

ANNA: 30:54

It's amazing we get to go inside.

RICHARD SHALL: 30:57

Great. Well, thank you both again for coming today. It was a pleasure to have you. Thank you as well. Thanks, Richard. Chow chow. Chow chow. And that's it for today's episode, folks. We hope you enjoyed our journey diving into the importance of materials management and its impact on manufacturing and logistics. If you'd like to learn more about MRP in general, I suggest you listen to some of our earlier episodes about defects in manufacturing and shop floor management. Until then, keep exploring, stay curious, and. As always, stay awesome.